Richard Dawkins, Can We Please Just Not?

Richard Dawkins wants the logical people of the world to use hypothetical constructs instead of actual facts:

Two miners are trapped underground by an explosion. They could be saved, but it would cost a million dollars. That million could be spent on saving the lives of thousands of starving people. Could it ever be morally right to abandon the miners to their fate and spend the money on saving the thousands? Most of us would say no. Would you? Or do you think it is wrong even to raise such questions?

Of course it’s wrong to raise such questions. In the real world, we have more than one million dollars. It’s not logical to engage in discourse where we exclude knowledge about the real world. If you don’t believe that, why have you spent so much time and energy refuting religious nonsense?

Your hypothetical situations are not logical puzzles. They provide no axioms from which logical conclusions may be attained. They are, on the contrary, psychological trickery designed from the get-go to instigate despair by removing us from a universe in which reason is useful.

This whole conversation started because you were on twitter demanding the right to talk about what kinds of rape are worse than what other kinds of rape. And then twitter did what twitter does and now you feel the need to explain yourself.

So let me ask you.

As an atheist and a rational thinker, do you believe in human sacrifice?

I ask because, maybe, if you could demonstrate how you would actually use your knowledge of comparative rape badness to help real non-hypothetical people in the real non-hypothetical world, some of the people blowing you up on twitter would come forward to help you make those determinations.

But instead you’re giving us a laundry list of fantasy worlds where some people have to be sacrificed. Most of us followed your twitter because we wanted to get away from that shit.


Did willfully create a disturbance . . .

Last week I was arrested and charged with 2nd degree trespassing, failing to disperse on command, and “creating a disturbance in the North Carolina State Legislative Building with loud singing and yelling and/or displaying unauthorized signs.”

I didn’t go to the general assembly to “get arrested.” I went there because my government is hurting people and I want them to stop.

I did not consent to be handcuffed, locked up, paraded in chains, or any of that. I anticipated that these things would happen, and I did not resist or disrespect the officers. I believe that police officers deserve a workplace where they are safe and free from harassment and fairly compensated, just like everyone else who works. But my view is that when they arrested me, that was a wrongdoing on their part.

My state representatives are doing sad and hurtful things to my fellow citizens. Among these are: interfering with people’s ability to vote, sabotaging our public schools, and cruelly denying health care to women.

This comes one year after the constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage in our state, even though gay marriage is already illegal. Nevermind the nonsense about banning Sharia law (really, what is the state constitution even for?) but explicitly allowing an official religion (presumably not Islam) in our state.

I love my state and I hurt for what my representatives are doing in my name. I don’t feel that I trespassed last week. It was my government that was trespassing on human dignity.

Not a Voice for Me

A couple of weeks ago while searching for information on an unrelated issue, I came across an article, titled “Herding Porcupines in the MRM,” linking the Men’s Right Movement to Quakerism on the site, A Voice for Men.  Please be aware that the above link is to a site identified by the SPLC as having at least some of the characteristics of a hate group.  While I don’t care to evaluate the site in its entirety and don’t know all of the nuance of identifying what is and is not a hate group, at the time of this writing the site seems to feature an “enemies list” with names, dossiers and photographs, an advertisement (for an affiliated site) depicting blood dripping from a knife, as well as imagery and text which seem to serve no function other than to dehumanize activists from other communities.

If you’ve never encountered the men’s rights movement before, it can puzzling to newcomers.  Most people are correctly under the impression that men have rights, and many MRM groups know how to artfully incorporate legitimate concerns alongside their reactionary politics in a way that can confound outsiders.  That said, I find the movement as it is actually, widely practiced to be a manifestation of modern misogyny belonging in the same category as white supremacist and other hate-based movements.

For whatever reason the author of this particular article has chosen to identify as both a quaker, a woman, and a men’s rights activist.

That women sometimes choose to associate with the men’s rights movement is unsettling but not surprising — sexism is unique among all forms of prejudice in that it can never rely on people’s unfamiliarity with each other to perpetuate it’s vicious misconceptions.  Men and women who are exposed to misogynistic media and lack the insight to resist its influence are likely be indoctrinated with very similar ideas regardless of their gender.

I do identify as a quaker.  Although I am not a member of my meeting, I attend frequently and share many of their values.  These values, as I understand them, include taking time to listen and form consensus with every stakeholder as part of the decision-making process, opposition to all forms of violence regardless of the context in which the violence may take place, the will to defy injustice wherever it occurs, and the frequent practice of silent worship without defining the object of that worship.  I understand these values to be entirely in opposition to the values I see espoused in the men’s rights movement.

In spite of those values, it does not surprise me that a quaker somewhere in the world would identify with the men’s rights movement.  Quakers are a diverse group.  I’ve been told that some quaker meetings are almost indistinguishable from a modern conservative christian church, while others more closely resemble Occupy Wall Street organizing committees filled with youngsters eager to get themselves arrested.  The meeting I attend tends to be reserved, having taken some modest actions to contribute aid for the homeless and to agitate in favor of gay marriage.

The article itself contains little that I find objectionable because it amounts to little more than a dry review of quaker organizational structures.  I have no rebuttal to its content, but I feel that if I remain silent about this article, reasonable people might take away the idea that there exists some widespread sympathies between quakerism and the men’s rights movement.  I find this possibility utterly horrifying.  A Voice for Men and sites like it do not speak for me or my meeting.  I have no doubt that the ideas advocated by the men’s rights movement would be greeted by strenuous protest among the overwhelming majority of friends at my meeting, several of whom are feminists.

My only real goal in posting this is to provide some guidance to anyone who may have come across this article and be curious as to whether it represents a presence of men’s rights sentiments in modern quakerism.  I believe that it does not.